http://www.xtremecars.hu/gal_list.php 

Here are some photos:

http://www.audimaxpower.com/component/option,com_rsgallery2/Itemid,42/catid,66/lang,hu/ 

If you have any video and photos please send it to me: kuki234@gmail.com 

I'll make a video, but it'll take some time to edit, until that, it's best to search youtube.  

hi, gimme ur msn address, and tonight i will send u some  

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=koe+east&search_category=2&page=2 

Do you speak english? 

hi Kuki  

Do you have some photos and videos from King of Europe ?  

Igazából csak az első 40 mp érdekes, elvileg ez night_crawler gépe.

 

Oh, my God. You are a pro. For me, so onto a petrol pump with a bigger pressure I have need. What kind of injector you use. How large an, and how many ohmic? My acquaintances vems they are useful. I it would not be liked only chip. Can you help with him? Slick I do rubber, but vain 120 scratches.
We rebuild the engine now onto stronger one. Help with your expertise. I say thank you for it nice  

Tires are free, so a lot of people use all kind of slicks.  (from track and sprint tires to M/Ts and Hoosiers) 

Atommano, thanks.

I'm not sure if this is the place to give advices but I'll do it anyway.
to 345i: Are those HP on wheels or on engine? Did you do any tuning till now?
The easiest way to have more HP is to change boost control chip whic is in car ECU. Othervise you can't have higher boost than 0.7. Those stock engines are capable to have 1..0-1.2 bar boost with the stock KKK27 turbo. If you reach this boost you will have 320-340 hp on wheels which 370-380 hp on the crank. A lot of 745i drivers are talking about higher HP but I have 2 of those cars and I can asure you that is very hard to get more than 340 HP with stock turbo. I have Holset HX40 turbo which is larger and on 1.2-1.4 bar boost it gives me 380-390 RWHP...

With this chip you will need mechanical boost control device and a new petrol pressure regulator because you will need more fuel. With the standard pressure regulator you always have 2.5 bar of fuel pressure which is not enough for 1.0 bar boost.

2 everyone: I forgot to ask, do you use slick tires or you have to use DOT tires on races?
 

Night_crawler, and any other foreign visitor!

If you have drag racing related items for sale (from complete race cars to used drag tires) please do put them on the classifeds page for sale. (http://timeslip.hu/hirdetesek.php?lang=english) 

HI!

So he has a 345i BMW E30 with M102 3.4 turbo Motor. It has 254 Ps, but he wants to tune it up. His question is, what should he do to reach higher Ps.
Just quick translated... 

hey man,
sorry, I don't speak german. Can you translate this?
 

Hello night crawler!
Ich habe ein 345i BMW E30 mit M102 3.4 turbo Motor.
Dein 745i lauft sehr schön Time. Ich habe ein-paar Frage: Was hast du mit deinem Autó gemacht? Mein Motor ist ganz werker 254 Ps. Was mache ich mit meinem Autó, wenn möchte ich besser Time laufen.  Was muss mir wechseln?
Viel Dank!!!!!! 

Congrat's to you for all these nice cars!
...and a happy new year from Hungary!  

The owner of Ascona is my team mate and friend. It has 3.6 Lotus engine from Lotus Omegas which has in stock 377 hp but in this case it has 500+ hp + 75 hp nitro shot... his best Croatian time was 11.5 so it means that his best ET was 10.9. The only problem with this car is that it can't put all the power to the ground. It's too light at the rear. He had put very wide MT tires, Volvo rear axle, some more links on the rear but that's about it. It has too much wheel spin in 1st and 2ng gear and sometimes in 3rd gear.
 

Very nice trailer!

The Ascona also seems interesting,could you please tell me something about it? 

it's early now indeed we'll see.......  

Nice trailer and nice cars, i hope we'll show any of them in 2008  

Hawkeye, really!

Indeed, the dragracing.hu series use the same timing system as the Croatians.
It might be a different setup, Race America has different models, but the basic hardware is the same. 

Nice timing system :-)))))
I've consistent. 

It's a nice trailer you have.

The 2CV's engine bay looks quite full.  Must be fun to drive. 

Just to finalize my cars best ET:
BMW 745i 1977: 12.1
Golw II twin VR6: 10.45
Citroen 2CV6 1975: 11.74

 

 

 

thanx for helping me and clearing up all the confusions... I've learned something new...
I don't know my trap speed because we never get the time slip after the race.... they measure trap speed but I never asked which is mine...
now I'll try to find some more links and try to upload some more photos...
 

I guess you forgot to click on the thumbnails after uploading them.
The way uploading or hotlinking works, is that you select the pictures, upload them, then position the cursor in the edit box where you want the picture to appear, then click on the thumbnail you want there, continue with the next one, etc.

Anyway, I did found two of the pics you uploaded in the upload folder, but one of them is very very small.  Here are they:


 

Another consufion here.

The term "pro tree" refers to the professional racing mode, where all the yellows come up at the same time and there's only 0.4 seconds between the yellows and the green.
What you have is called "sportsman tree".

The actual hardware is the same for both, just the light's activations differs.


If you have a net time (ET) of 11.74 then modify your profile accordingly.   If you know your 1/4 mile  trap speed as well, entering that will enable showing your time under your avatar, like my 12.88 @ 175, for example. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA0f4Jj-QO0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jXtWhb9BH4&feature=related


later on I will add some more pics and video links...
 

sorry for confusing you but that is how it is in Croatia. But I think that you understood.
In our competition it works like this: we have a pro tree but the lights turn on one by one... first yelow than after 0.5 sec second yellow than after 0.5 sec 3rd and after 0.5 sec green light... so if you start 0.4 sec after 3rd yelow lights on than you have a red light but if you start after 0.501 sec it's a perfect... the thing is that those 0.5 seconds are calculated in the ET plus a reaction time which you have when you start. I hope that you understood that our measuring time starts after 3rd yellow lights on. And the only time which we compare in croatia is that total time, from the start measuring till you stop the time when you cross  photocells at the finish line. In that case I can say that my best ET in hungary would be 0.7 sec lower than I have in Croatia. In Croatia my best time is 12.44 with the reaction time of 0.7 so in your country that ET would be 11.74... wow, I've just realised that I have very fast car ... I would have a chance in your championship...with Golf and with Citroen...  here are some pics of my cars...
 

Just as Falco said, try to keep it clear.
ET stands for the time which is elapsed between activting the start photocells and reaching the finish beam.

We use the terms 'net' and 'gross' times for clear understanding what are we talking about.

net stands for ET, gross is ET + reaction time.

Talking gross times is pretty pointless, these number do not tell anything.   If you have a gross time of 12.6 it can be an ET of 11.6 and a reaction time of 1.0 seconds, or it can be a 12.0 with a 0.6 seconds reaction.

Especially if the reaction time is timed from the first yellow showing, like you have it in Croatia.
Your perfect reaction time is 0.5, while in our systems it's 0.0. 

Well, nice cars and ET's, but let me say that the way you are talking about ET's and reaction times is a bit confusing for me. The ET, if you want to simplify it, is nothing else but the time the car needs from beam to beam... Yep, you can loose if your reaction time sucks even with a better ET, but reaction time has nothing to do with your ET. BTW, we are using a protree, where all the  yellows come at once followed by the green 0.4 sec later (if I remember correctly).  

I saw that one slovenian guy which is also driving Croatian championship (Gregor Tus with Honda civic) has best ET time 12.1 but in Croatia he never had lower than 12.5. I also saw that his reaction times are 0.2 or 0.3 but in Croatia if you have reaction time lower than 0.5 it means that you hit the red light and you are disqualified. My reaction time is usually around 0.8 and with that reaction I had ET 12.6 so it means that actual time of the car is 12.3. The oponent in that race had ET 12.5 so he won. But he had only better start because he had better reaction time which was 0.6. So it means that his car time was 12.4. As you can see we are in Croatia calculating the total time of the car  + 0.5.  I supose that you have very similar. You are calculating total car time + reaction time which can be 0.1? So if the car time is 12.1 and reaction time is 0.3 the total ET is 12.4. Am I right? If that is true, Croatian vehicles can be 0.5 seconds faster in your championship.

Our fastest car is Audi S2 station wagon which had 10.6 alltogether with the reaction time. My golf with two engines  had the record for almost year and a half and it was 11.4. This year the record was hit at least 4-5 times.
We also have one Corsa  with Audi V6 2.7 engine which is at the back of the car. His time was 11.05. One guy from serbia has an Audi S4 with the same angine but it's 4x4. His time is 11.1. Than we came with our golf which had a lot of problems with automatic gearboxes so our best time was 11.3. Next year we will  have one Chevy Malibu with 1000 hp, one S2 with 800 hp. He drove one race last year but he hit the red light. But on that run he had 11.0 ET. I think that this car can go low 10 sec acording to the croatian timing. I think that next year we will have 3-4 cars in 10 sec. I hope that I will get 11 sec with my car.

Yes the prices in Croatia are quite OK but the thing is that you have to pay 50 euro if you wanna race. So the drivers are "collecting" the price money beetween ourselves. The organisation is taking the money from the visitors and the winners are dividing the money which we payed for the race. Example: if you have 100 cars in the race, it means that the price money is 5000 euro. You have 7 categories so it means that the winner in each category will get 715 euro. The 2nd and 3rd place will get nothing. Only in Zagreb and Rijeka you have over 100 drivers. On the other races you have cca 80 cars. The final cahampionship money is from the sponsors. And as I told you before, half of the prise is in cash and the other half is in sponsor items.
Last year we had 11 races but sometimes in one weekend we had 2 races (zagreb, Rijeka, Varazdin and Banja Luka-Bosnia). Slovenj Gradec (Slovenia), Beograd (Serbia) and Mostar (Bosnia) there was only one race.
Later I will upload some photos...

 

Yep, these prices are tempting...
----
night_crawler!

Cool cars, would be nice to see them in person sometime... What are the fastest cars running in your championship? 

Wow! Congrats for your cars! Hope we can see you around here next year...  

As for your car, yep, please do upload a few pics, to this thread.  Our main interest would be under the skin photos, of course, perhaps some you took while building.
Do you know the Duck's 1/4 mile trap speed?

Both Hungarian racing organizations time quite professionally.  It was a constant issue for a few years, but now we have proper prestage, stage, guard beams, 60', 1/8 mile, we get detailed timeslip for all the runs, and I put all data on this website:  http://timeslip.hu/verseny.php
ET timing starts when the car rolls out the stage beam or hits the guard, whichever is first.
And yes, we have reaction times, as you can see on the DragBase listing too.

We have qualifying for most of the day, say from 10am to 5pm, then the organizers build an 8 car ladder and 1st vs 8th, 2th vs 7th, etc...
Reaction time doesn't count during qualifying, only during the finals. 

Wow, I wish I won the Croatian Championship instead of the Hungarian. 8000 Euro ain't bad!

As for the race 500 Euro is also very nice, the most we could race for 200 Euro for each category winner, but usually it was around 120 Euros for the winners 80 for runner up, 40 € for the 3rd places.


Your money prizes are very compelling to say the least, I guess you might see a number of Hungarian cars going there.


As for our tracks, check out some of my videos.
The two main tracks are Tokol and Kiskunlachaza.   There're a few other places as well, either similar to the main tracks or a little worse.   Basically old Russian military airfields, very wide conrete blocks, very good quality.
Download the two latest vids, they show each tracks quite well.
http://timeslip.hu/videok.php 

I forgot to writte something about my car... the "outside" is Citroen 2CV6 from 1975 which you all know by the name "the duck" but under the hood is 3.5 l BMW with holset HX 40 turbo and nitro.. I have 300 hp on the wheels on 0.8 bars  but I can run it up to 1.5 bar... the problem is with the traction.. if I put 1.0 bar boost than my wheels are spining in 2nd gear and I am all over the track... I have BMW 325 suspension, M3 diff, 733i 4 gears gearbox, forged JE pistons, SPEC stage 4 clutch, aquamist... so the car only looks like the duck but it's actually BMW... so only thing what I have to do for the next year is to work on the traction... I have plan wider MT tires, stiffer struts, lighten up the front part and so on... I think that this car is capable for mid 11's... and yes, the car is very heavy... it has 1100 kg... a lot of iron was spent on the chassis...
There are a lot of info of my car on the web but everything is on Croatian... I don't have my own web page... if you want I can upload some of the pics over here... and don't hesitate if you have any questions...

and yes, one more question... how do you measure ET? Does the measuring starts when the green light turns on on or when you cross the sensors? Do you have reaction time?  

thanks for the info, you helped a lot... I think that I will not stand a chance in your championship...
In Croatia we have 7 categories which are devided by the time which you achieve during the 1st free run. So if I have 15.5 time on this first training than I will be in the 15 sec category and my first race would be against somebody which has time 15.9. In each category you have the same points. The winning is 15 pts, 2nd place is 12 pts, 3rd place is 10, 4th place is 8 and than 6,5 4,3,2,1... so the overall winner of championship can be somebody which is driving in 15 sec catogory. Of course, the best chance have cars in very fast categories but it can happen that somebody else take the championship. We had 160 competitors during the season and was 6th with my "duck" but I have 2 more cars. One is Golf II with twin VR6 engines with nitro. So each engine has 350 hp which means that both of them have 700 hp... That car finished 2nd in the championship. The driver of that car was one of my employes. The third car which I owe is BMW 745i from 1977. Actually the engine is from 1984. All three cars are very fast and very popular in Croatia. The BMW's best time is 12.7, the Golf best time was 11.1, the best time of Citroen 2CV6 which I sdrive was 12.4. The problem in Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia and Slovenia, where we drive is that we dont have good tracks so If you have very strong rear wheel drive you need to have perfect suspension and veeeery wide tires or you will lose at least a second or maybe more. How are the tracks in Hungary? Do you use VHT or not? What are the prices? In Croatia is like this: if you win at the race you will get cca 500-800 euro... it depends on how much drivers you have on the race... for the overall champion at the end of the season you will get 8.000 euro but half of the price will be in items (tires, gadgets, struts, etc...) ... the second place you will get 4.000 euro, half of that will be in items... third place is 2.000... but we also have a team chanpionship... in each team there are three cars and we took 1st place this year among 25 teams... the price for the 1st place team is 2.000 euro... so this year I won 6.000 euro at the end and 2.500 euro for the winings which as not so bad compering to the other automotor sports in Croatia... I have found a lot of hungarian sites of drag racing but all of them are on Hungarian... So here is the only forum where I can find some more info... for the next year we are preparing some more cars... maybe we will get more money from our sponsors and maybe we will go to Hungary on some races, King of Europe or somewhere else... that is why I have so many questions... or maybe I will see some of you in Croatia... that would be very nice....
 

Howdy. To start with, we have two organizations, competing against each other. They have slightly different rules, but both based on displacement and how is the car putting the punch to the pavement (RWD/FWD/AWD). AFAIK, none of these rules are available in English, though. If you give me the displacement of your engine I can tell you who will you roll against...

Regarding the question driving the car in Hungary, I'm not sure what do you mean. If you have a proper license on the car, I guess yes, but I'm pretty sure you couldn't get a valid license for this car here...

 

My bad, I know where you from, I forgot what did I ask during registration.

Can you tell a little about the Croatian drag scene as well? 

Sure, you're at the best place I guess.

There are major changes coming in 2008.  There're two racing series competing, as of today there are some legal issues.   We'll see in time.

As there're new regulations coming for 2008 they're not available in English as far as I know.

But generally speaking, yes you can race your car in Hungary.     You need to have license, though, which will cost around 60-100 Euro.

Big engined turbo RWD cars were a bit rare this year, but I guess there'll be more and more.

In the Dragracing.hu series your car would race against anything which is 2.1 liter or more, RWD or AWD.   Fastest Hungarian time in this category would be a 9.8 for an AWD Audi.
In the other series, futam.hu your car would race against RWD cars only, with any forced induction car engine above 1550 ccm.     Fastest would be a Fiat X 1/9 with a 10.89.


Your car seems very unique, can we find more information about it (and pictures) somewhere on the web?    btw. Where are you from?
 

hi people... I'm new here so I have few questions... can anybody tell me where can I find more info about hungarian drag racing? about the rules... can I drive with my car in Hungary? I have Citroen 2CV6 with 6 cilinder BMW turbo engine...it's RWD... thanks... 

 

Hi krystian! Here are some videos, from Tököl

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=de4dsn4ke 

There are a number of clips on youtube from others, but do not expect a big video here anytime soon.
I have quite a big latency, now working on the King Of Europe vid. 

When will be video with championship 27-28.10.2007 Tokol??